Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms (CNAPPs) • Russ Miles & James Lewis • GOTO 2025

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. #GOTOcon #GOTObookclub http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/358 Russ Miles - Engineering Manager, Chaos Engineering Practitioner & Co-Author of "Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms" James Lewis - Software Architect & Director at Thoughtworks RESOURCES Russ https://bsky.app/profile/russmiles.bsky.social https://github.com/russmiles https://www.linkedin.com/in/russmiles James https://bsky.app/profile/boicy.bovon.org https://twitter.com/boicy https://linkedin.com/in/james-lewis-microservices https://github.com/boicy https://www.bovon.org Links https://youtu.be/mTSu0clAP-c https://youtu.be/BX0TVzHOJgQ https://youtu.be/jqkwVmvIcG0 https://youtu.be/tMzDMrBGJlI https://youtu.be/9omp-95zbzs https://youtu.be/xg6EFYdXU8w https://youtu.be/T7eG7UAMztA https://youtu.be/hBxV3Cr0lXY https://youtu.be/-5kK50d-duc https://youtu.be/vkxVaqS7q2Q https://youtu.be/dcp6YMAmI3M https://youtu.be/Pv0cfsastFs DESCRIPTION In this episode of GOTO Book Club, James Lewis and Russ Miles discuss Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms (CNAPPs), focusing on how they promote collaboration across security and development teams. Russ shares insights from his book, emphasizing the importance of OODA loops, balancing innovation with safety in platform design, and the benefits of off-the-shelf versus custom CNAPP solutions. Looking ahead, he predicts platform engineering will evolve into a commercial strategy like AWS and that AI will augment human decision-making, enhancing creativity and collaboration in the engineering field. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 00:59 Exploring Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms (CNAPPs) 05:10 Collaboration & OODA Loops in cloud native security 16:16 Bridging the gap between security & development 32:06 Creating platforms that foster innovation & collaboration 36:13 To build or to buy a CNAPP 42:22 Predictions for platform engineering & AI in 2025 44:52 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Miles, Giguere & Smith • Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms • https://amzn.to/3X4Bq4h Mina, Warda, Marins & Miles • Digitalization of Financial Services in the Age of Cloud • https://amzn.to/4gIYsow Russ Miles • Learning Chaos Engineering • https://amzn.to/412KEzf Dan Pilone & Russ Miles • Head First Software Development • https://amzn.to/4i02JF0 Kathy Sierra • Badass • https://amzn.to/4b9fb2V https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #CNAPP #CNAPPs #CloudNative #ProtectionPlatforms #PlatformEngineering #OODA #OODAloop #Collaboration #Security #RussMiles #JamesLewis #BookClub CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1