Better Value Sooner Safer Happier • Simon Rohrer & Eduardo da Silva • GOTO 2025

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. #GOTOcon #GOTObookclub http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/356 Simon Rohrer - Co-Author of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" & Senior Director at Saxo Bank @SimonRohrer Eduardo da Sliva - Independent Consultant on Organization, Architecture, and Leadership Modernization @emgsilva RESOURCES Simon https://bsky.app/profile/simon.bvssh.com https://mastodon.social/@simonr https://x.com/sirohrer https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonrohrer https://github.com/sirohrer https://www.soonersaferhappier.com Eduardo https://bsky.app/profile/esilva.net https://mastodon.social/@eduardodasilva https://x.com/emgsilva https://www.linkedin.com/in/emgsilva https://github.com/emgsilva https://esilva.net Links https://youtu.be/oOYddleBsuk https://youtu.be/ESOaDiv3lXA https://youtu.be/B3b4tremI5o https://youtu.be/WPCrGYjrJ1Y https://youtu.be/48g7CRlMUD8 https://youtu.be/86-Dy5U2p5Y https://youtu.be/l1tyfb5we7I https://youtu.be/B7JqZh9A2pQ https://youtu.be/yuEbZYKgZas https://youtu.be/hBxV3Cr0lXY https://youtu.be/HKS5sKsIkkc DESCRIPTION Eduardo da Silva and Simon Rohrer discuss the core ideas of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" diving into the principles of organizational transformation. Simon shares insights on the shift from output-driven to outcome-focused thinking, emphasizing value over productivity, and the need for continuous improvement in delivery speed, stakeholder satisfaction, and safety. The conversation explores key concepts like technical excellence, integrating safety into development, and balancing incremental changes with occasional larger steps. Simon Rohrer discusses organizational patterns and the importance of decentralizing decision-making, recommending a flexible, context-driven approach to transformation. The session concludes with practical advice on how to start implementing these ideas, using the book’s map to guide organizations toward the right transformation strategy based on their specific goals. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:55 The journey to "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" 06:14 Antipatterns & patterns for business agility 14:09 Embracing continuous attention to technical excellence 24:43 Embedding safety in continuous delivery 33:31 Balancing incremental change & big leaps in transformation 40:18 Exploring organizational patterns 44:12 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Jonathan Smart, Zsolt Berend, Myles Ogilvie & Simon Rohrer • Sooner Safer Happier • https://amzn.to/3Emm9p2 Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundling the Enterprise • https://amzn.to/3W2EcXw Carliss Y. Baldwin • Design Rules, Vol. 2 • https://amzn.to/4hdllRr Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps • https://amzn.to/3tCz1xO Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #BetterValue #SoonerSaferHappier #OrganizationalTransformation #BusinessAgility #Agility #ValueOverProductivity #ContinuousDelivery #ContinuousAttention #Safety #TechnicalExcellence #SimonRohrer #EduardoDaSilva #BookClub CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1