Learning Systems Thinking • Diana Montalion & Charles Humble • GOTO 2024

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. #GOTOcon #GOTObookclub http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/328 Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking" @dianamontalion Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Diana https://hachyderm.io/@diana https://bsky.app/profile/mentrix.bsky.social https://x.com/dianamontalion https://github.com/dianamontalion https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianamontalion https://blog.montalion.com https://learningsystemsthinking.com Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Links https://xkcd.com/386 https://youtu.be/FPfjHon2tFY https://youtu.be/WKx9E3DRqXc https://youtu.be/yiGAfjGrrVs https://youtu.be/dvRJmzEoJno DESCRIPTION Diana Montalion and Charles Humble explore the complexities of systems thinking particularly in tech environments resistant to change. Diana shares insights on the frustrations of introducing new ideas in hierarchical organizations, where power dynamics and skepticism often block innovation. They discuss the importance of patience, community support, and accepting that recognition may not come when challenging ingrained structures. Diana also reflects on the personal growth she experienced while writing her book, including navigating her ADHD diagnosis and learning to embrace uncertainty. Together, they highlight the need for resilience and collaboration in driving meaningful, systemic change in tech. Struggling to make systems thinking work in rigid, hierarchical environments? You're not alone. Dive into Diana Montalion and Charles Humble’s conversation on resilience, innovation, and driving real change in tech. Discover Diana Montalion’s insights on systems thinking and overcoming hierarchical challenges in tech with Charles Humble. Essential read for anyone driving change in complex environments. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:07 What is Systems Thinking? 09:33 Systems Thinking & microservices 15:23 Leverage points & counterintuitive solutions 27:57 Navigating hierarchy & Systems Thinking 38:01 The journey of writing a Systems Thinking book 48:40 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ Robert M. Pirsig • Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance • https://amzn.to/4ekfJU0 Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems • https://amzn.to/3XtqYCV Donella H. Meadows • Limits to Growth • https://amzn.to/4d9sik4 https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #SystemsThinking #LearningSystemsThinking #Systems #Microservices #Leadership #CounterintuitiveSolutions #Hierarchy #SoftwareEngineering #Programming #DianaMontalion #CharlesHumble #BookClub CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1