How To Lead Through Transformation in Tech • Hannah Foxwell & Charles Humble • GOTO 2025

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/349 Hannah Foxwell - Independent Consultant & Founder of "AI for the rest of us" Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant RESOURCES Hannah https://bsky.app/profile/hannahfoxwell.net https://medium.com/@hannahfoxwell https://x.com/HannahFoxwell https://github.com/hannahfoxwell https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-foxwell Charles https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble https://conissaunce.com Links https://youtu.be/dMwGfRINpz0 https://youtu.be/wjF4X9t3FMk https://youtu.be/TpzRuUB9r9o https://youtu.be/28S4CVkYhWA https://youtu.be/CIBlbmk1U_c https://youtu.be/sQOHhoCSfak https://youtu.be/pulm0r8Lfdg https://youtu.be/FPfjHon2tFY https://www.infoq.com/presentations/dichotomy-people-management https://youtu.be/Vd5IxWn3Ync https://youtu.be/k2acwYoz3w8 https://youtu.be/g5daBsy3ZEA https://youtu.be/tn6nkZP1iSY https://youtu.be/Yk0_LWd0WQA https://youtu.be/Pv0cfsastFs https://youtu.be/8jwiABwGC6c https://youtu.be/mUJ_ECHUi-s DESCRIPTION Charles Humble and Hannah Foxwell explore the multifaceted challenges and opportunities presented by emerging technologies, modern work practices, and management dynamics. They emphasize the importance of methodologies like pair programming, flexible work designs, and inclusive team environments, especially for accommodating neurodiverse and introverted individuals. Foxwell introduces the “three-teams model” to guide new managers in aligning with direct reports, leadership peers, and cross-functional collaborators. She underscores the significance of equitable leadership through mentorship, coaching, and sponsorship, particularly for underrepresented groups. Exploring AI’s potential, Foxwell highlights its transformative impact on software development and enterprise processes while cautioning against rushed adoption. She advocates for thoughtful experimentation and user-centric design, noting the need for cultural and structural shifts to fully realize AI’s benefits. Ultimately, the conversation centers on intentionality, empathy, and the need for organizations to balance innovation with human-centric practices. [...] TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 04:13 Balancing agile practices with inclusivity & flexibility 11:46 Remote work, flexible practices & organizational transitions 18:24 The "Three-Teams Model" for new managers 23:07 Inclusive management: Tailoring leadership to individuals 31:13 Promotions & acquisitions: Insights for managers 39:18 AI realism 46:25 The role of LLMs in software development & enterprises 51:38 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery • https://amzn.to/452ZRky Barbara Oakley • A Mind For Numbers • https://amzn.to/3Z2tjqi Pooja K. Agarwal & Patrice M. Bain • Powerful Teaching • https://amzn.to/4gmT5LS Barbara Oakley & Olav Schewe • Learn Like a Pro • https://amzn.to/3Z3gyf9 Daniel Kahneman • Thinking, Fast and Slow • https://amzn.to/2XmJEtf Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #DevOps #ContinuousDelivery #CICD #Inclusivity #GenAI #ArtificialIntelligence #ThreeTeamsModel #TechLeadership #Leadership #Transformation #DigitalTransformation #HannahFoxwell #CharlesHumble CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1