How to Deliver Quality Software Against All Odds • Daniel Terhorst-North & Julian Wood • GOTO 2024

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/343 Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates @daniel-terhorst-north Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS @julian_wood RESOURCES Daniel https://bsky.app/profile/tastapod.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/tastapod https://github.com/tastapod https://mastodon.social/@tastapod http://dannorth.net/blog Julian https://bsky.app/profile/julianwood.com https://twitter.com/julian_wood http://www.wooditwork.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood https://s12d.com/goto Links https://youtu.be/86-Dy5U2p5Y https://youtu.be/MkbgZMCTUyU https://youtu.be/TgdFA72crHM https://youtu.be/a-BOSpxYJ9M https://youtu.be/zmA5fhV-FGk https://youtu.be/dU_WHead0oY https://youtu.be/JWIUPMMq9Fc https://youtu.be/ovRt6O7q1rA https://youtu.be/WPCrGYjrJ1Y https://youtu.be/Saaz6D1azlU https://youtu.be/7lHtXkYnip8 https://youtu.be/40d26ZGfhR8 https://youtu.be/fxfjYD_5qUI https://youtu.be/YAXGU2J7XjM https://youtu.be/cyZDLjLuQ9g https://youtu.be/lpNzR0fvxDw https://youtu.be/yPvef9R3k-M https://youtu.be/jTX45V5JuN4 https://youtu.be/9I9GdSQ1bbM https://youtu.be/sibLu7f_CeU https://youtu.be/UIRJrmywahE https://youtu.be/es3DNd5Qipg https://youtu.be/MYVrLXKJp0Y https://youtu.be/4YeZf3HupQA https://youtu.be/NoVTpeY3vOg https://youtu.be/wYEk0y8LYfg https://youtu.be/FbV9EFHnGOE https://youtu.be/trsDnGh-x4U https://youtu.be/-OhZU4_7gKA https://youtu.be/wO8M6M39vZk https://youtu.be/iyUgBcYLHdA https://youtu.be/dcp6YMAmI3M https://youtu.be/USc-yLHXNUg https://youtu.be/6xrGo1IIB3w https://youtu.be/lvs7VEsQzKY https://youtu.be/tgaKAF_eiOg https://youtu.be/oV8VSBSBrr4 DESCRIPTION Daniel Terhorst-North and Julian Wood share decades of experience to offer a nuanced view of programming, governance, and product delivery. By framing programming as a socio-technical activity, they emphasize the critical role of collaboration, feedback, and sustainable practices. The conversation challenges traditional governance models, advocating for hypothesis-driven product management and continuous feedback mechanisms. Through humorous anecdotes and hard-won wisdom, Terhorst-North inspires people to look beyond technical expertise to the broader ecosystem of teams, culture, and organizational alignment. [...] TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:13 20y of GOTO: From agile beginnings to sustainable software 11:06 Evolving TDD & BDD 17:39 Bridging the gap: The case for domain language in code 23:28 The Thoughtworks era: Innovation through necessity & collaboration 33:05 DevOps, constraints & organizational flow 40:51 Tips on product management & effective delivery 46:58 Programming & socio-technical systems 51:38 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery • https://amzn.to/452ZRky Nicole Forsgren, Jez Humble & Gene Kim • Accelerate • https://amzn.to/442Rep0 Kim, Humble, Debois, Willis & Forsgren • The DevOps Handbook • https://amzn.to/47oAf3l Jez Humble, Joanne Molesky & Barry O'Reilly • Lean Enterprise • https://amzn.to/47pcOXD Heidi Helfand • Dynamic Reteaming • https://amzn.to/3Fvu5BA Heidi Helfand • How to Change Your Teams • https://leanpub.com/DRTGuide Carl Larson & Frank M J LaFasto • Teamwork • https://amzn.to/4cFWseQ Gene Kim & Steve Spear • Wiring the Winning Organization • https://amzn.to/3QJcfBp Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #SoftwareDelivery #DevOps #ContinuousDelivery #Thoughtworks #SoftwareComplexity #Teams #TechTeams #TechLeadership #DeveloperProductivity #CompanyCulture #CompanyValues #Productivity #EnabledTeams #DanNorth #DanielTerhorstNorth #JulianWood CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1