Navigating Complexity with Systems Thinking • Diana Montalion & Andrew Harmel-Law • GOTO 2024

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/332 Diana Montalion - Systems Architect, Mentrix Founder & Author of "Learning Systems Thinking" @dianamontalion Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture" @AndrewHarmelLaw RESOURCES Diana https://hachyderm.io/@diana https://bsky.app/profile/mentrix.bsky.social https://x.com/dianamontalion https://github.com/dianamontalion https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianamontalion https://blog.montalion.com https://learningsystemsthinking.com Andrew https://bsky.app/profile/andrewhl.bsky.social https://twit.social/@ahl https://x.com/al94781 https://github.com/andrewharmellaw https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewharmellaw https://andrewharmellaw.github.io Links https://donellameadows.org https://youtu.be/m7cWdYVAzX0 https://youtu.be/4N2ywun-wTE https://youtu.be/tqmiUJtxaF4 https://youtu.be/lpNzR0fvxDw https://youtu.be/mlUjxYbQ_2U https://youtu.be/Vd5IxWn3Ync https://youtu.be/8Y-XPlXOWoA https://youtu.be/ApAkqxHZq6o DESCRIPTION Andrew Harmel-Law and Diana Montalion explore the critical importance of systems thinking in software development and organizational dynamics. Diana Montalion touches on her new book, "Learning Systems Thinking," highlighting how traditional linear approaches to problem-solving often fall short in today's complex environments. She emphasizes that effective systems leadership requires not only recognizing the interconnectedness of various components but also fostering collaborative thinking and decision-making among teams. By engaging in practices that enhance understanding and adaptability, organizations can better navigate challenges and drive meaningful change, moving beyond simplistic solutions to embrace a more holistic view of their systems. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:59 Why does Systems Thinking matter? 05:25 Tackling complexity in tech 12:28 Working with systems: Why pushing for change often pushes back 19:06 Counterintuitiveness 25:28 Leading with Systems Thinking: Beyond awareness to action 33:59 Clarity in Systems Thinking 39:51 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking • https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture • https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfU Donella H. Meadows • Thinking in Systems • https://amzn.to/3XtqYCV Donella H. Meadows • Limits to Growth • https://amzn.to/4d9sik4 Robert M. Pirsig • Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance • https://amzn.to/4ekfJU0 https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #SystemsThinking #LearningSystemsThinking #Systems #Microservices #Leadership #CounterintuitiveSolutions #SoftwareArchitecture #SoftwareEngineering #Programming #DianaMontalion #AndrewHarmelLaw CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1