The Cloud Native Attitude • Anne Currie & Sarah Wells • GOTO 2025

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. #GOTOcon #GOTObookclub http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/365 Anne Currie - Co-Author of "The Cloud Native Attitude" & "Building Green Software" @anneelizabethcurrie Sarah Wells - Independent Consultant & Author & Author of "Enabling Microservice Success" RESOURCES Anne https://bsky.app/profile/annecurrie.bsky.social https://www.strategically.green Sarah https://bsky.app/profile/sarahjwells.bsky.social https://www.sarahwells.dev https://linkedin.com/in/sarahjwells1 Links https://youtu.be/Ez8cqoSRVsA https://youtu.be/0ISWoTtproY https://youtu.be/zdI126LzaZQ https://youtu.be/BRFYQstye_U https://youtu.be/dzvTlhPXvfE https://youtu.be/as7ALBoNZqY https://youtu.be/8fi7uSYlOdc https://youtu.be/esaoQPIIiTo https://youtu.be/hczM0n_0toY https://youtu.be/HKS5sKsIkkc https://youtu.be/2iLx3XBeUBo https://youtu.be/OIH9pHmM7dY https://youtu.be/MbaPtzSuQII https://youtu.be/UUt7SuG3nW4 https://youtu.be/5zY5_iTGIsU https://youtu.be/pEsqnHEF2wY https://youtu.be/sKACrX3llJM https://youtu.be/Nr3i2r-ffnc https://youtu.be/HGhW0s7SYaM https://youtu.be/hBxV3Cr0lXY https://youtu.be/0GpN_vEUGLk https://youtu.be/A-XPOsu9Ka8 https://youtu.be/GybLDN4Zofs https://youtu.be/po712VIZZ7M DESCRIPTION Sarah Wells and Anne Currie dive into “The Cloud Native Attitude” and uncover why it’s more than just using cloud infrastructure. It’s about breaking bottlenecks, embracing rapid change, and aligning the entire organization. Anne reflects on how Kubernetes has risen since the book’s first edition, but the core principles remain. They discuss why CI/CD is key, how cloud native supports sustainability, and why true transformation demands more than just a lift-and-shift. The conversation wraps up with practical advice on identifying real bottlenecks and securing buy-in for a successful cloud native journey. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 03:56 Defining Cloud Native 09:48 Fundamental architectural principles 15:49 The importance of CI/CD 20:51 Sustainability & Cloud Native 31:03 The future of Cloud Native 34:58 Getting started with Cloud Native 41:07 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Anne Currie & Jamie Dobson • The Cloud Native Attitude • https://amzn.to/3R0exeT Anne Currie, Sarah Hsu, & Sara Bergman • Building Green Software • https://amzn.to/3IKopW5 Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success • https://amzn.to/4aa8xrv Bill Gates • How to Avoid a Climate Disaster • https://amzn.to/4iWtvPI Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe Burns, Beda & Hightower • Kubernetes: Up & Running • https://amzn.to/3sueuuI Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #CloudNative #CNCF #CICD #Sustainability #Kubernetes #Docker #DockerSwarm #HashiCorpNomad #Microservices #Monolith #DistributedSystems #SoftwareArchitecture #SoftwareEngineering #Programming #AnneCurrie #SarahWells #BookClub CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1