From XP to TCR & Limbo • Kent Beck & Daniel Terhorst-North

This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here (https://gotopia.tech/articles/355) Kent Beck - Software Engineer & Creator of Extreme Programming Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates RESOURCES Kent https://bsky.app/profile/kentbeck.bsky.social https://www.kentbeck.com https://github.com/KentBeck https://twitter.com/KentBeck https://www.linkedin.com/in/kentbeck Daniel https://bsky.app/profile/tastapod.com https://twitter.com/tastapod https://www.linkedin.com/in/tastapod https://github.com/tastapod https://mastodon.social/@tastapod http://dannorth.net/blog DESCRIPTION Kent Beck and Daniel Terhorst-North reflect on the evolution of Extreme Programming (XP) and its lasting impact on agile software development. They explore the importance of short feedback loops, iterative learning, and adaptability in different phases of product development, as outlined in Beck’s 3X model (Exploration, Expansion, Extraction). Kent introduces radical techniques like Test && Commit || Revert (TCR) and Limbo, which challenge traditional coding and collaboration practices by emphasizing tiny, safe iterations. The conversation ties in psychological safety, a key factor in high-performing teams, as outlined by Amy C. Edmondson. Kent envisions a future where software development scales in real-time, pushing teams to embrace faster experimentation, responsibility, and continuous learning in a rapidly evolving tech landscape. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Kent Beck • Tidy First? (https://amzn.to/4gscjjK) Kent Beck & Cynthia Andres • Extreme Programming Explained (https://amzn.to/3sBASDG) Amy C. Edmondson • The Fearless Organization (https://amzn.to/3Q5QPxu) Amy C. Edmondson • Right Kind of Wrong (https://amzn.to/3CRbiTD) Jez Humble & David Farley • Continuous Delivery (https://amzn.to/452ZRky) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com) Twitter (https://twitter.com/GOTOcon) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/goto_con) LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto-) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences) CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech (https://gotopia.tech) SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL (https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1) - new videos posted daily!