Flow Engineering • Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • GOTO 2025

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. #GOTOcon #GOTObookclub http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/377 Steve Pereira - Co-Author of "Flow Engineering" & Principal Consultant at Visible Flow Consulting @visibleconsulting Andrew Davis - Co-Author of "Flow Engineering" & Founder at Institute for Transformational Leadership @XformationalLeadership RESOURCES Steve https://x.com/steveelsewhere https://github.com/stevepereira https://www.linkedin.com/in/devopsto https://stevepereira.ca Andrew https://x.com/andrewdavis_io https://github.com/abd3 https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdavis-io https://www.andrewdavis.io Links https://flowcollective.org https://youtu.be/J4RjCmloqBI https://youtu.be/P7CfWtR-ECk https://youtu.be/miYyinA-Nxc https://youtu.be/FbV9EFHnGOE https://youtu.be/cSywovR5t_Q https://youtu.be/D43PlUr1x_E https://youtu.be/pQJxlGUz5xY https://youtu.be/WVAUHT-Jy-U https://youtu.be/XjbTLIqnq-o https://youtu.be/lpNzR0fvxDw https://youtu.be/dcp6YMAmI3M https://youtu.be/5Vc71tEiVPw https://youtu.be/dMwGfRINpz0 https://youtu.be/VMpTU15rIZY https://youtu.be/g9m3R0NMJ1Y DESCRIPTION Flow Engineering co-authors Steve Pereira and Andrew Davis discuss their approach to improving workflow visibility in software development and knowledge work. They explore how value stream mapping can be adapted for modern digital work environments, where the work is largely invisible compared to manufacturing settings. The authors explain their five-map framework designed to help teams establish clarity, improve collaboration, and enhance productivity despite busy schedules and constant firefighting. They emphasize the importance of visual collaboration to create shared mental models and the continuing relevance of these practices in an AI-driven future. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 03:36 The complexity of modern software development 13:11 Visualizing invisible work 18:28 Five Maps Framework 30:49 The future with AI & Flow Engineering 43:20 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Steve Pereira & Andrew Davis • Flow Engineering • https://amzn.to/3GY3u44 Andrew Davis • Mastering Salesforce DevOps • https://amzn.to/4kjGmf6 Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies • https://amzn.to/3XTmNCc Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers • https://www.conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge • https://amzn.to/3XQEeDu Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps • https://amzn.to/45U8Upr https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com https://twitter.com/GOTOcon https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto- https://www.instagram.com/goto_con https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences #FlowEngineering #Flow #FiveMaps #FiveMapsFramework #WardleyMaps #SoftwareComplexity #ValueStreamMapping #AI #TodayInTech #SoftwareDevelopment #SoftwareEngineering #Programming #AndrewDavis #StevePereira #BookClub CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1