This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here (https://gotopia.tech/episodes/348) Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture" Sonya Natanzon - Senior Director of Software Engineering at Guardant Health RESOURCES Andrew https://bsky.app/profile/andrewhl.bsky.social https://twit.social/@ahl https://github.com/andrewharmellaw https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewharmellaw Sonya https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonya-natanzon Links https://facilitatingsoftwarearchitecture.com https://martinfowler.com/articles (https://martinfowler.com/articles/scaling-architecture-conversationally.html) https://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/techniques (https://www.thoughtworks.com/radar/techniques/lightweight-architecture-decision-records) https://www.cognitect.com/blog/2011/11/15 (https://www.cognitect.com/blog/2011/11/15/documenting-architecture-decisions) https://medium.com/@vanessamformicola (https://medium.com/@vanessamformicola/social-decision-records-adrs-for-human-interactions-e6bb3ffe30ef) DESCRIPTION Sonya Natanzon and Andrew Harmel-Law explore key concepts from Andrew’s book, fostering decentralized sociotechnical systems, emphasizing the importance of embracing imperfection in decision-making, and combating cognitive biases like the framing effect. They highlight the shift to prioritizing learning, adaptability, and small, fast iterations in socio-technical systems. Andrew discusses psychological safety as vital for empowering teams to innovate while maintaining accountability, advocating for experimentation and collective ownership of evolving codebases. Together, they underline the importance of balancing creativity and structure to build resilient, adaptive systems that thrive in complexity. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture (https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfU) Diana Montalion • Learning Systems Thinking (https://amzn.to/3ZpycdJ) Donald G. Reinertsen • The Principles of Product Development Flow (https://amzn.to/3OZDqXc) Alexander, Ishikawa, Silverstein, Jacobson, Fiksdahl-King & Ange • A Pattern Language (https://amzn.to/4gHTfgY) Patty McCord • Powerful (https://amzn.to/3ZJ1uCF) Shoshana Zuboff • The Age of Surveillance Capitalism (https://amzn.to/3VMswI5) Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Tea (http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ) Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com) Twitter (https://twitter.com/GOTOcon) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/goto_con) LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/goto-) Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/GOTOConferences) CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech (https://gotopia.tech) SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL (https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConferences/?sub_confirmation=1) - new videos posted daily!
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